Threads I have been involved in on USA Today

[misfitguy]

Recently I have been involved with the comment section of USA Today for certain news articles.  This one concerned a couple of Vermont towns that voted to put Bush and Cheney on the arrest list.  I saw it as a way for these people to protest.  Of course, the posters go off topic as this one did. I felt it necessary to clarify a bit of sullied history, though.

Comment on: Vt. towns put Bush, Cheney on arrest list at 3/5/2008 1:29 PM EST

misfitguy1 wrote: 42m ago I read in another post that you stated you were Native American and you had reasons to be angry. I agree with you. A Lakota Sioux friend of mine at a conference in New Orleans for minorities gave a speech after many others spoke for hours of the atrocities their race or ethnic had to endure.

He said, "Truly all you have suffered was horrible. My people, though, were simply killed."
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So Cal wrote: 10m ago
Was that before or after they butchered Custer and his troops?
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It was about 10 years ago, so I would say it was after. Custer had just butchered a village of women and children. Didn't you read that part of history? He was in the Dakatos to determine if they should renege on the treaty that the US had signed with the Sioux. The Sioux, a plains tribe had already been moved into the foothills of the Dakotas and as we know today were eventually moved into land nobody could be expected to survive on. Custer's mission was financed by large mining interests and supported by over 1000 civilians that were surveying land as well as minerals. The Custer party died under attack in a war. They weren't massacred. That is the word that should be used to describe what happened to the Sioux women and children when their village was raided and destroyed by American soldiers. This is history. We shouldn't try to hide from it nor try to rewrite it. Custer was,as bush is today, sponsored by big business with little regard to what was right or fair.

[misfitguy]

Another comment concerning the Vermont towns.

Comment on: Vt. towns put Bush, Cheney on arrest list at 3/5/2008 4:32 PM EST
jay5000 wrote: 8m ago
I addmit I did support Bush, until Katrina, but almost as soon as his Second term started he seemed to be going down the drain. I mean yeah there were no WMDs but I believe Iraq was a nessisary War that may have potentially saved Millions of lives, but to that only time will tell. Bush however has led us down a dark path and i hope that we can find the wisdom to choose the ight man for the job all though they are all bad choices.
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Why would we need time to tell us anything. As horrible as the 9/11 attack was... 2974 people died. Truly the worst attack on US soil. It wasn't a million people.  So who are the "millions" of lives you referred to? Is this a little exaggeration, maybe?

On the other hand, we have lost 3974 soldiers since the war began, 3835 soldiers since "Mission Accomplished" was declared, 3513 since Saddam was captured, and 2536 since you voted for his re-election. There are estimated 1,173,743 Iraquis that have died due to the war. If that was the million you were referring to, it looks like the war didn't save a million lives, but instead cost a million lives.

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The Iraq war is stupid and i had a bad feeling about Bush on Sept. 12-13 when i thought it was awfully suspicious that in a matter of one day, they had the whole thing 'figured out' and whom was responsible, etc.  Yet, 8 years later they don't know shit else!

The fact they knew previous to 9/11 and ignored the warnings from their own figureheads is not a fact i'm ready to "give a pass on" not now, not ever.  Also, Bush's appointees have all been nothing short of a "joke" imo.  Alberto Gonzales, anyone?  Pfft. 

Katrina is a whole nother mess, but i sort of knew that was going to play out like it did.  Why?  Because he have no real "leadership" anymore. 

[Sassafras]

Katrina is a whole nother mess, but i sort of knew that was going to play out like it did.  Why?  Because he have no real "leadership" anymore.

Anymore?  Actually, I see "the shrub" as a puppet for someone greater than himself.  Mr. shrub doesn't have ANY leadership skills.  He has always had speech writers and people there to make speeches for him.  Having "the shrub" as president as allowed the nation and the rest of the world to see his chameleon colors.  It sounds like a circus act rather than the actions of a leader or a dictator for that matter.

I started reading one of Barack Obama's books call The Audacity of Hope and in there Mr. Obama defines "the shrub" and all of his cronies as absolutists.  Obama doesn't suggest that this man in office is merely part of the neo-conservative, but rather puts him and his cronies in a group so far from the conversative party that the peoples of this nation, if they understood what the hell was actually going on, would stand along side the rest of the peoples of world as say "enough is enough".

[misfitguy]

McCain Reports His Best Fundraising Month, USA Today, April 21, 2008

Markus Parkus wrote: 7h 6m ago
misfitguy - Do you really think that Clinton or Obama will make changes that will benefit the economy, change our relationship with China, and make the military more effective? What have they said or done to prove this to you?
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Ah, proof you ask. You need proof. Let's start negative. bush/cheney have done nothing beneficial for the economy. In fact, their policies have caused the results of our economy being in the toilet. So, the first proof, negative, is that I would not vote for anybody that suggests that they would support any programs that even seemed similar to the bush/cheney spend and slash economics. That takes McCain out of the picture.

Proof....That leaves the only two choices at this point. Clinton or Obama. Clinton is business as usual. She is inveigled in White Housed back door politics, to her own admission. She claims it is these 18 years of Washington D.C. that will allow her to be a strong leader. I believe she will be led by many of the powerhouses that do just that when they can get their talons into a victim. She is not a Bill Clinton. She is not an Oxford scholar. She is simply Hillary Rodham, whom married Bill Clinton, and has done nothing accept make contacts and get rich by riding the coat tails of others. She surely is not the answer.

Proof....Barack Obama has a serious history of service. Not the service Congressmen and Senators like to spout about describing their own term in office while getting rich in a cushy job, but service out on the streets. He is well educated and spiritual. He is driven by concern for his fellow man/woman. I make these judgments based on his fruits. Simply observe, listen, watch, and pursue his history, and you will see a brilliant man with strong convictions to do what is right. He has surrounded himself with experts in many fields for his advisement and, most importantly, he is being surrounded by many giants in their fields on their own volition. If we have any hope of turning this disaster around, it will take careful and thoughtful development of polices by brilliant and concerned individuals. These are the people we are seeing flocking to his side.

That is the only proof I can give. Proof based on past experiences; my own. Valued people live a valued life. I esteem valued people. I will support Barack Obama.

[misfitguy]

McCain Reports His Best Fundraising Month, USA Today, April 21, 2008

bigcheetah wrote: 30m ago
If you like the way the Country is today then vote for McCain.
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Thanks, I will.

Me Too!!!
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I like having a "one your own society" (that is capitalism, obama must like communism), I like low taxes, I like a strong military, I like patriotism and love for country (something Obama can never understand)

McCain 08
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We all like capitalism, Nimrod. It is the economic system that we use. We would like some oversight, though, since everything that Bush and his cronies deregulated was in a non-competitive market and the results are higher energy bills, higher phone bills, higher cable bills, etc.

Who doesn't like lower taxes, but not at the cost of the security of this nation. When our government becomes indebted to China because of their fiscal policies, they endanger the very foundation that we brag about. Hell, they actually sell it. Our dollar is in the toilet. bush has spent over 500billion dollars off budget that has been paid for by simply printing more money (inflation) or borrowing.

We all feel safer with a strong military. Sadly, though, with the downsizing of our military by that genius appointee, rumsfeld, and bush encumbering us with two different fronts, we have managed to weaken our military to a point that we are actually more vunerable to attack than we were before bush decided to protect us. Having a war, is not a sign of a strong military.

We are all patriotic. Some of you have decided that we have to prove it somehow, like wave a flag, or wear a pin, or stand on our hands, or put a magnetic ribbon on our car (just $4.99 and you can prove to all your neighbors that you are patriotic) or some other sort of hoop you peabrains decided to hold up.

If you chose to vote for mccain, so be it. I support your having the right to make a choice, but don't try to sound logical about it. So far, you have only sounded ignorant and willing to ignore the mess bush and the rest of the neo-cons have got this country into.