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Smokebender:

--- Quote from: YoungMike on June 24, 2010, 08:48:57 PM ---I believe anarchy would be the first effect once it becomes obvious that order has been shattered-- it still is haunting to imagine that people's morals could be overturned in a crisis. But yes, it has been estimated that in a worst-case scenario nationwide EMP attack, 9 out of 10 Americans would die. Yes, I can easily recommend this book to you, Mick. :) No doubt, it would be right up your alley.

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I believe your correct in that many people would die after an EMP attack. Not from the attack, but because they would at some point start killing each other. Anarchy to say the least, and there would be no stopping it.

misfitguy:
I ordered the book and when I finish it, Smoke, you may read it.  I warn you, though, I found that Newt Gingrich wrote a forward for it.  I believe he is one of the scare mongers that confused this nation for so many years.  I am going to read this book simply because Mike suggested it.  I have enjoyed the conversations that Mike and I have had and am interested in what he is interested in as well. 

By the way, Smoke, your comment on your truck running and others won't is interesting.  I remember in the 60's, a friend called and said he had read that there would be a shortage of gasoline and many or most Americans would not be able to buy gasoline.  He wanted to buy a large tank, store a lot of gasoline and then we would have gas when others didn't.  I asked him what would we do with this gasoline?  He said, for one, we would be able to get to work and also go to the store to buy food.  I said if gasoline was going to be so difficult to get, then wouldn't it hold that our companies we worked for would probably close?  And what would the grocery stores have to sell if there was so little gasoline?

You would surely have a truck that would run, but where would you go?  Anarchy is about surviving the moment, moment by moment.  The smartest thing we could do would be to hunt out pockets of people that would be trying to create order and join them.  Having a truck that runs could be simply a target for those that don't have one, same as having petrol when others don't have it. 

Mick

YoungMike:
Thank you, Mick. :) I appreciate your consideration and interest. Hope you enjoy the book. Perhaps we can talk more about this when the Birch Run Expo comes around? Definitely would like to hear more about this topic from a good friend.

I personally believe that nobody can be absolutely prepared for something as tremendous and unbalanced as an EMP attack. It's difficult to imagine assured safety based solely upon resources and precautions-- even with superior funds and knowledge, it would seem like a bit of it would be ultimately useless in the face of an event. I've heard accounts of people stocking their houses with unheard amounts of provisions with the intent of surviving the "unsurvivable". I can easily respect a person's forethought... but in my opinion, this sort of extreme preparation could be dangerous when the time comes to act. When the nation is without power or government, I wouldn't prefer to be the one with the notable stockpile in the neighborhood (a point Mick had mentioned). I can imagine that word-of-mouth spreads quickly when catastrophe strikes, and even if someone manages to keep their reserve a secret, it would only be a matter of time before rumors circulate and Martial law is executed, resulting in the seizing of your goods. Mind you, I am not dismissing the importance of preparing. To me though, excessive hoarding isn't the wisest choice in a disaster.

I can see what Mick is saying about the use of a vehicle. It probably wouldn't hurt to keep one (assuming it was functional after an EMP) in the garage with a generous amount of gasoline, just in case you need to get out of Dodge. I'd probably choose to walk; not only because driving could make me a possible target, but because walking would allow one to blend into the woodwork. Maybe it all comes down to the purpose of the vehicle and where you would be driving it? I dunno, perhaps my priorities are a bit misguided. In any case, my focus would just be to keep my head down, complete any tasks and precautions, and ensure that those who I am taking sanctuary with are well. It would be hard for a kid like myself, but I believe my chances are stronger than most.

Smokebender:
 Unlike the book we have been discussing here, the government report is not a work of fiction. As highly unlikely as it is to happen, I take comfort in having a plan of action. If an EMP attack were to occur transportation as we know it would come to a end. Only old cars or trucks would run or even start for that matter. In this example anyone wishing to relieve me of my transportation or any other gear had better be willing to die trying.
 
 I'm not one to stockpile or plan hide in a hole. Nor would I seek out other people. In fact I would distance myself and my family from all other people. Everyone with a plan like mine already has a "bug out" destination in mind if sheltering in place is ruled out. After all only three things are needed to survive. Food, fuel, and shelter, in that order. In my example when I say fuel I'm not referring to gasoline. My plan requires only enough gas to reach the bug out location. Something I always already have in day to day life. After that the needed fuel becomes firewood.
 
As far as becoming a target or victim goes, no one would be exempt. I believe that most people would sit around and wait for others to help them. At least until they came to the understanding that no help was on the way and at that point for most it would be to late. As we have seen in the not to distant past, if martial law was ordered, and it would be, those that showed up to do the job would be busy in the cities for months at the least. Just think what that would be like. I'll sit that one out in the woods. Martial law resulting in the seizing of my goods? If they can find me, try it.
 
If this scenario were to occur it would seem, and or be, the end of the world for many people. However if one has the tools and ability to supply the three things needed to survive that's all there is to it. Would it be easy? No. 
 
You are correct Mike when you say "nobody can be absolutely prepared for something as tremendous and unbalanced as an EMP attack" However, not having a good plan of action and being able to execute it, is not the place you will find me.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

misfitguy:

Smoke,

You brought up or at least underlined a good point.  Martiall law...  Anarchy would prevail, I am sure and Martial Law would be put into effect.  I think we can look at recent tragedies such as the earth quake in Haiti, or the current flooding in Pakistan, or the hurricane in New Orleans where all order basically disappeared and the strongest survived.  Many pitched in to help others but there was also many that took advantage of the chaos.  Martial Law is normally the first attempt at returning order from chaos.  I would think that it would be a few days of bloody chaos and then the slow process of people uniting to recreate order. 

I, too, Smoke, would be a survivor or at least one that understands that a person would need to be independent and defensive to survive.  Who knows, some knucklehead could simply blow my head away for the fun of it or because he/she was scared.  Good guys don't always finish first.

Mick

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