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Health - About Eating / Re: Chicken Soup
« Last post by mandysk8581 on April 25, 2014, 02:13:32 AM »
i like to eat chicken soup more.
Long John Silver's

Long John Silver's uses Monosodium Glutamate, Hydrolyzed Proteins, Autolyzed Yeast, Extracts, Disodium Guanylate, Disodium Inosinate, and many more nasty ingredients in their batter, sauces, and soups.

Long John Silver's has a list of ingredients available in pdf form here:

I have put the items we should be concerned with in bold type.

Wheat Flour (May be Bleached and Enriched with Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamin Mononitrate,
Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Corn Starch, Yellow Corn Flour, Salt, Monosodium Glutamate, Spices (Including
Paprika), Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate, Sodium Aluminum Phosphate, Monocalcium Phosphate),
Garlic Powder, Natural Flavoring, Guar Gum, Spice Extract.
Contains: Wheat

Breaded Clam Strips**
Clams and Natural Clam Juice, Bleached Wheat Flour, Soybean Oil, Modified Food Starch, Salt,
Leavening (Sodium Bicarbonate, Sodium Aluminum Phosphate, Monocalcium Phosphate), Contains 2%
orless of the following: Rice Flour, Spices, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Dextrose, Sodium
Tripolyphosphate, Monosodium Glutamate, Water, Hydrolyzed Wheat Gluten, Yeast, Lactic Acid,
Autolyzed Yeast Extract, Bonito Extract, Buttermilk, Artificial Flavor. Contains: Clams, Wheat, Milk

Baja Sauce
Soybean oil, water, egg yolks, distilled vinegar, salt, contains less than 2%of sugar, garlic*, lime juice
concentrate, egg yolk solids, spices, monosodium glutamate, lactic acid, xathan gum, sodium benzoate and
potassium sorbate (as preservatives), onion*, paprika, natural and artificial flavors, calcium disodium EDTA
added to protect flavor. *dehydrated
Contains: Egg

Broccoli Cheese Soup
Water, Broccoli, Pasteurized Processed Cheese Spread [American Cheese (Milk, Cheese Culture, Salt,
Enzymes), Water, Whey, Sodium Phosphate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Skim Milk, Salt, Milkfat, Artificial
Color], Onion, Creaming Agent (Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Corn Syrup Solids, Sodium Caseinate a
Milk Derivative, Mono and Diglycerides, Sodium Citrate, Salt, Dipotassium Phosphate, Carrageenan),
Cream, Margarine (Soybean Oil, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Water, Salt, Nonfat Dry Milk,
Soybean Lecithin, Mono and Diglycerides, Sodium Benzoate added as a preservative, Artificial Flavor,
Colored with Beta Carotene, Vitamin A Palmitate), Contains less than 2% of the following: Modified Food
Starch, Cold Pack Cheese [Cheddar Cheese (Pasteurized Milk, Cheese Culture, Salt, Enzymes), Water, Salt,
Apocarotenal (color), Oleoresin Paprika (color)], Flavor (Wheat Flour, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil),
Cream Base (Clarified Butter Oil, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Modified Food Starch, Sweet Cream
Solids, Corn Syrup Solids, Salt, Mono and Diglycerides, Flavorings with Annatto and Turmeric, Xanthan
, Sugar, Disodium Inosinate, Disodium Guanylate, Natural Tocopherol to protect flavor), Salt, Chicken
[Cooked Mechanically Separated Chicken, Salt, Sugar, Maltodextrin, Hydrolyzed Corn Gluten, Chicken
Fat, Whey, Chicken Flavor (contains Salt, Acid Whey Powder, Yeast Autolysate, Sweet Whey Powder,
Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Water, Lactose, Spice Oleoresins, and Oleoresin of Turmeric), Onion Powder,
Turmeric, Disodium Inosinate and Disodium Guanylate, Xanthan Gum, Spice Extractive], Natural Flavor
(Maltodextrin, Modified Butter Oil, Salt, Dehydrated Butter, Shortening Powder, Guar Gum, Sodium
Bicarbonate, Annatto and Turmeric for color), Emulsifier (Mono- and Diglycerides with TBHQ and Citric
Acid added to protect flavor), Natural Flavor (Cream and Enzymes), Propylene Glycol Alginate, Spice,
Lecithin, Red Pepper Sauce (Vinegar, Aged Red Pepper, Salt), Xanthan Gum, Annatto Color (Propylene
Glycol, Purified Annatto, Mono- and Diglycerides, and Potassium Hydroxide), Paprika Oleoresin (Refined
Soybean Oil, Natural Extractives of Paprika).
Contains: Eggs, Milk, Soy, Wheat

Green Beans – Seasoned
Green Beans, Onion, Salt, Monosodium Glutamate, Spice, Maltodextrin, Soybean Oil, Garlic. Conclusion:

Long John Silver's is a Red Zone Restaurant.
Go here at your own risk.
Personally, breathing the air while driving by one of their restaurants would be too much.
Great post.  I just was involved with two morons that claim to be skeptics, but I would call ignorant, lazy and comfortable in their ignorance.  They both asked for supporting url's and questioned my credentials as their response to anything I posted.  I believe that even with these essays they would have discounted everything we have stated about msg.  There is no overcoming ignorance or laziness if the individual likes them, I guess.  I hope these essays will help others in their search for the truth about excitotoxins.

You can find this essay at


Subject:  MSG
   Date:   Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:08:40 EDT


In your e-mail of 9/21/00, under the heading "Food Additives to Avoid,"
there is a reference to "monosodium glutamate" which, I believe,
came from CSPI. It stated in part:

"Unfortunately, too much MSG can lead to  headaches, tightness
in the chest, and a burning sensation in the forearms and the
back of the neck."

The reference to "monosodium glutamate" is the type of language that I
expect to hear from the glutamate industry or from the FDA.
It is not what one should expect to come from CSPI.
The reference to "too much" is ridiculous.
I would like to think that someone at CSPI would know
enough about science to realize that people vary
in their tolerance to allergens and/or substances
to which they are sensitive.  MSG-sensitive people vary
greatly in their tolerance to MSG and, I for one, react to
MINUTE amounts of the substance.

If reactions to MSG were limited to the mild and transitory reactions
listed in the statement, the MSG issue would not be as serious
a health issue as it is.  MSG reactions can be debilitating
and/or life threatening.  Serious reactions include, but are not
limited to migraine headache (not just "headache" as listed in the
CSPI caution), asthma, heart irregularities, and seizures.
MSG is implicated in neurodegenerative diseases, and, based on
research findings, should be avoided by people on MAO inhibitor
drugs and people predisposed to or suffering from amyotrophic
lateral sclerosis (ALS) or multiple sclerosis (MS).

Jack Samuels

You can find this essay at

******************** 50 SIGNS OF FIBROMYALGIA

   Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:20:47 EDT
Subject: Re: Re: 50 SIGNS OF FIBRO


I did not respond to the Fibromyalgia Message Board because I am not
registered at the site.  I totally concur with Rich Murray's comments
regarding aspartame and MSG.

The symptoms of fibromyalgia, as Rich stated, are the symptoms associated
with aspartame ingestion, but are also the symptoms associated with MSG

Last week, I spoke with a retired physician in Ohio who told me that he
cured his fibromyalgia by elimination of MSG, and cured 57 patients in his
practice who had been diagnosed as suffering from fibromyalgia with the same
approach. I would assume that the doctor and his patients also avoided
aspartame, or by eliminating only MSG dropped their combined intake of both
MSG and aspartame to a point below their tolerances for the substances.

Neuroscientists, in studies on experimental animals, have found that
glutamic acid (the reactive component of the food ingredient "monosodium
glutamate" and over 40 other food ingredients) and aspartic acid
(approximately 40% of aspartame) load on the same receptors in the brain,
cause identical brain lesions and neuroendocrine disorders, and act in an
additive fashion.  People sensitive to MSG typically react similarly to
aspartame and vice versa, providing that they ingest amounts that exceed
their tolereances for the substances.

Jack Samuels
Truth in Labeling Camp[aiogn

You can find this essay at

******************** Celiac Sprue

We are well aware of celiac sprue.  Gluten is not MSG, but many
individuals with celiac sprue have suffered reactions from processed
food that they thought was free of gluten.  They did not realize that
the product that they ate contained "flavorings" or "flavors," often
proceeded by the word "natural," which included a hydrolyzed grain.

Congress has passed legislation that has allowed food processors to
treat the ingredients of flavorings as proprietary information, and FDA
regulations allows hydrolyzed proteins, including hydrolyzed grains, to
be included in flavorings.

The food industry wants the option to include hydrolyzed proteins in
flavorings because all hydrolyzed proteins introduce some processed free
glutamic acid (MSG) into the product, enhancing flavor.  Grains are high
in glutamic acid.

One final point.  People afflicted with celiac sprue vary in their
tolerance for grains.  Therefore, not all people with celiac sprue react
to all flavorings that include grain.

You can find this essay at

******************** MSG and aspartame

MSG is a common trigger for migraine headache, as is aspartame.  The
most common reaction to MSG and to aspartame is migraine headache.

MSG-sensitive people react to glutamic acid that has been freed from
protein through a manufacturing process.  It makes up approximately 78%
of the food ingredient "monosodium glutamate" and up to 40% of over 40
other food ingredients that are identified with names that give no clue
of its presence. (See

Neuroscientists have found that glutamic acid and aspartic acid
(approximately 40% of aspartame) load on the same receptors in the
brain, cause identical brain lesions and neuroendocrine disorders, and
act in an additive fashion.  Typically, MSG-sensitive people react
similarly to aspartame and aspartame-sensitive people react similarly to
MSG, providing that they ingest amounts that exceed their tolerances
the substances.

Jack Samuels
Thu, 9 Mar 2000

You can find this essay at

The story behind the use of aspartame in placebos that were used in
double blind studies conducted to determine if people react to MSG is as

In the late 1980s or possibly in 1990, a number of people suffered
severe adverse reactions to the dietary supplement, L-tryptophan.  There
were a number of deaths and a number of people who were permanently

One of FDA's responses to this disaster was to request proposals from
outside agencies to conduct a study on the safety of amino acids in
dietary supplements.  In September, 1990, an FDA funded study entitled
"Safety of Amino Acids Used As Dietary Supplements" was initiated by the
Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology (FASEB).  The
final report was published in July, 1992.

FASEB held an Open Meeting in Bethesda, Maryland on February 4, 1991, to
provide an opportunity for comment on their task.  I appeared at that
meeting to express my concerns over the use of free glutamic acid in
dietary supplements.  Andrew Ebert, Ph.D., Chairman, International
Glutamate Technical Committee, a glutamate industry organization that
has directly or indirectly funded most, if not all of the studies that
have attempted to conclude that MSG is safe for humans, was in the

Although Dr. Ebert was not scheduled to speak at the FASEB Open Meeting,
he asked for and received permission to speak after hearing my
presentation. Ebert was furious.  He believed that I had accused his
organization of using reactive placebos.  Apparently, Ebert made such an
issue over my remarks that Sue Ann Anderson, R.D., Ph.D., a FASEB senior
staff scientist who sat on the FASEB panel, felt obligated to write
Ebert and request that he disclose the contents of the placebos that had
been used in MSG related studies.  At the time, I was not aware of
Anderson's request.

In 1993, my wife and I were at the FDA Dockets Management Branch in
Rockville, Maryland reviewing FDA Docket No. 90N-0379, the docket
relating to this FASEB study.  I accidentally came across Dr. Ebert's
response to Dr. Anderson's request in that docket.  It was dated March
22, 1991.  Apparently, since Ebert did not know what data I had in my
hand, he admitted, in writing, that the International Glutamate
Technical Committee provided researchers with test material AND placebos
that contained aspartame.  He indicated that introduction of aspartame
into test material began with a study done by Dr. Kenney, published in
1978.  In Dr. Ebert's letter to FASEB, he attempted to justify the use
of aspartame in the studies his organization had been involved in and,
of course, provided no clue to its possible effect on results of the

The undisclosed use of aspartame is troublesome.  For example:

        1. Beginning as early as 1978, and continuing until 1994, the
International Glutamate Technical Committee was responsible for the
UNDISCLOSED use of aspartame in scientific studies in which they were
involved.  Since aspartame was first approved by the FDA in 1981,
aspartame should not have been used.  Since there may is danger to
unborn fetuses from aspartame, undisclosed aspartame should not have
been used.

        2. The FDA knew of Dr. Ebert's admission in 1991, but took no
action regarding the use of aspartame in test material used in research
on humans until my repeated questioning forced them to take action in
1994.  Even then, what the FDA did was to refer my concerns to FASEB, an
organization that can only recommend, but can take no action.

        3.  The FDA has refused to reevaluate its position that "MSG" is
"safe."  They ignore the fact that it is the responsibility of the
producer of a product to demonstrate that a product is safe.  Rather,
the FDA claims that there is no evidence to show that MSG is not safe.
They simply ignore the fact that the many studies that the International
Glutamate Technical Committee presented to them to "prove" that MSG is
safe for humans are badly flawed.  In most, if not all of these studies,
subjects did react to MSG, but a high number of people also reacted to
the placebos.  The researchers concluded that since subjects reacted to
MSG and the placebo, the subjects were not reacting to the MSG.  The
inference is that subjects were suffering from psychosomatic responses.
Since it is generally known that MSG-sensitive individuals will react
similarly to MSG and aspartame, the studies actually proved that some
people do, indeed, react to MSG and aspartame.

I first advised the FDA of the Ebert admission in 1993.  They refused to
comment.  After continuing pressure from me, including questions from
members of Congress, the FDA asked FASEB to comment on the use of
aspartame in studies regarding MSG safety as part of their then ongoing
study.  In FASEB's final report entitled "Analysis of Adverse Reactions
to Monosodium Glutamate (MSG)," dated July, 1995 FASEB suggested that:

    "Although there is no evidence to support the contention that either
aspartame or the aspartic acid contained therein, at doses currently
used in placebo vehicles is associated with adverse reactions, the
Expert Panel concluded that in future studies the placebo should avoid,
to the extent possible, sources of aspartate (and glutamate), e.g.,
gelatin, or other substances such as aspartame that could potentially
affect the nervous system or create the perception of possible

Presumably, in 1994, the glutamate industry stopped using aspartame in
scientific studies in which they were involved.  In fact, a study in
process in 1994 at Harvard University, Northwestern University, and UCLA
was restructured to remove aspartame from the test material and placebo
material. To date, the results from that studies has not been published.

You might ask if my presentation to the FASEB Expert panel in 1991 on
the toxicity of free glutamic acid had any effect on the conclusions
reached in their study.  We will never know.  However, FASEB's final
report stated the following, in part, in regard to free glutamic acid:

    "The continuing controversy over the potential effects of glutamate
on growth and development of neonatal animal models suggests that it is
prudent to avoid the use of dietary supplements of L-glutamic acid by
pregnant women, infants, and children.  The existence of evidence of
potential endocrine responses, i.e., elevated cortisol and prolactin,
and differential responses between males and females, would also suggest
a neuroendocrine link and that supplemental L-glutamic acid should be
avoided by women of childbearing age and individuals with affective
Sat, 12 Feb 2000

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