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Outdoor Discussions => Bigfoot Investigations => Topic started by: Smokebender on March 12, 2009, 11:33:53 AM
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It seems that the folks at bfro have no idea were to find or what happened to our friend Captainkillmore. At the bfro board under "What's New"... lost hiker started a thread. This is an interesting read as it seems Bossberg has no idea about the fact that the Captain was banned not long ago. Strange but true? Let me think. Strange yes. True that the boss has no clue? Not so much. One things for sure, they love to suggest doing a search to read all that the Captain has posted there in the past. I wonder why? Maybe to sell tickets? I'm just sayin...
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After talking with the Captain on the phone for an hour or so, I'm happy to report he's alive and well. (BD)b
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Still no update on the bfro captainkillmore thread. As it fades away until the next time, what will the story be? What's the deal Larry?
BTW posts after nelson's were deleted. Now why would they do that? Anyone have a guess? I'll save mine for now.
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Hello everybody!
I'm new here, and I just got through reading each and every post in this BF section of MisFit. Wow.
Anyway, the things that drew me here were some verifications of suspicious behavior on the "other" forum. I have had doubts for some time, and was alerted to the Killmore situation by Smokebender.
It's a real eye-opener. Many months ago I thought I was just paranoid, but as I dug deeper into the seedy details of that organization, the truth became clearer.
Yes, there is still a lot of good work being done over there by some good people. Unfortunately, all of that good work is going to amount to absolutely nothing if/when some of the "bad stuff" comes to light.
I want to talk openly about it here, but not just yet. A lot of the details I can give will immediately identify me to any potential trolling operations by that organization. That's no good for me right now because they still see me as one of the "followers". I want to be able to take advantage of this and uncover as much as possible before they finally figure me out and ban me.
I can tell you this: the suspicions we share are true, or at least the ones about Captain Killmore. There are others as well.
The money angle has poisoned that organization to the point of potentially fabricated activity on expeditions. They have a TV show in the works, and if this stuff comes out after the TV show airs, it's going to set our efforts back years, if not decades.
Anyway, it's great to have found a trustworthy group to add to my "short list" of folks I can trust in this field of research.
I'm too far away to meet you all in person, so good luck in Michigan!
Later,
McCabe
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[welcome] to the city McCabe. We are happy to have you join us here. We hope you will return often and share your ideas with us.
You won't find a bunch of rules in this city. If it's on your mind feel free to express it here. Again from all of us, welcome. [peace]
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hey smoke did cpt. klmr ever straighten out the situation with the you know who, over at the you know where ???
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hey smoke did cpt. klmr ever straighten out the situation with the you know who, over at the you know where ???
It's wait and see time. I did learn that posts were deleted on that thread after your post. They are keeping the thread open, or so they make it seem. They can't very well close the thread without showing true color. I'm not sure if Larry has made a move yet. As you may have seen the bfro is making it look like he is able to post. Larry knows his way around a pc. I don't believe it's some problem on his end. As you may know, Larry believes he was banned for being late in removing "MBG Member" from his signature line, unlike some members that did so straight away. Others outside our group are watching this closely, they understand what is being done.
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Hmmm interesting, I didnt remove my MBG, they did it for me, wonder why they singled out some people ?? If Larry gets anywhere with this I would like to know, I'm just nosey I guess. :)7
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Hmmm interesting, I didnt remove my MBG, they did it for me, wonder why they singled out some people ?? If Larry gets anywhere with this I would like to know, I'm just nosey I guess. :)7
:-DDD That's news. So they said nothing and one day the MBG tag was just gone? Is that the way it went?
You know you're in the loop nelson. I'm just waiting at this point. When something breaks I'll post it. Their [BS] can only flow so far.
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Nelson, that sounds like someone in the BFRO might be looking out for you. Maybe running interference between you and "he who shall remain unnamed"...
...the plot thickens...
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Nelson, that sounds like someone in the BFRO might be looking out for you. Maybe running interference between you and "he who shall remain unnamed"...
...the plot thickens...
Could be. Sure could. Or they may understand it's a bad idea to ban a bunch, from the same group, at the same time.
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I dont know why or what, I got a pm from "bossburg", he stated that he removed it, and didnt mention anything else. I pm'd him back asking why ? he replied that they dont want to promote our group there because of some of our members... :)7... I then asked for more info, I said I knew thier side whats bfro's side, he replied that "people" where trolling for new members at thier site, and they wouldnt allow it.
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Yep, that was me. I did that, but I used the PM system. That 100% proves that at bfro they read the PM"s. Kind of takes the P out of the whole PM thing. Others have noticed this too. No other MBG member was doing what I was doing. So why say everyone in our group "remove the MBG tag or be banned"? Could it be about more than the reason you stated? That said it's his site so whatever I guess.
For this year they have 29 weekend outings planned so far. Say they have 20 people at $300.00 each per outing. That's 174k, and their cost? Lets see, they supply nothing, and I've never heard about any bfro members getting paid, so not much cost. Nice work if you can get it. 29 weekends and never the same place twice in a given year as far as I know. I smell a Bigfoot. No surprise as it seems they live all over the place, and there is always a nearby road so one can drive right to the spot. I have never been on a bfro campout, I have read about it.
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Here's a question:
Why would "trolling for new members" not be allowed? What is there to lose by it?
The BFRO is widely recognized as the biggest BF organization on the planet, and no other organization's database of evidence is anywhere near as large. So what's the threat here? It would be kind of stupid to think that the masses are only going to be a part of one organization at a time; most of us can't get enough BF material.
To me this says the BFRO is trying to protect it's numbers, and the only reason to do that is if those numbers are declining.
If that's the case, then it sounds like the cat may already be out of the bag, and they are practicing heavy damage control. This kind of flailing usually only comes from a dying animal. Or one with an upcoming TV deal.
I don't know if I want to get involved with bringing down that group, but at the same time I think we would all be a lot better off if their possible decline happened before anything hit the airwaves. I don't mean to say I wish them ill will; I would much rather they got their shit together and kept up some good work. But if the path they are on includes "shady" behavior, then having the "house of cards" fall now would be a lot better than after a show makes it to our living rooms. If the shit hits the fan AFTER a TV show airs, then the rest of the world will probably use the event as a reason to claim that the entire BF phenomena is a hoax.
I've also noticed something I didn't see much of before. There are expedition members posting about past expos and revealing that they actually had no major activity. This could obviously be entirely coincidental, but it could also be an indication that someone "wised up" and is now walking the straight-and-narrow.
My prediction on this is twofold:
Either:
A) There is about to be another mass exodus from the organization over the recent "stuff", in which some top level BFRO folks with a heavy burden to bear will finally have had enough, or
B) Things are going to quiet down on a few different levels and the organization will undergo a restructuring of sorts. Mainly in methodology, but also in the way control is shared. Having one guy at the top with all of that motive and opportunity is a recipe for disaster, and it will lead to their demise if something is not changed. Some of the upper people who figure this out will either leave or become "watchdogs" to make sure the organization doesn't fail, and that no more shenanigans are being perpetrated.
In the interest of the overall goal, I'm hoping for option B. But I'm also not holding my breath.
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Well it's now been 11 days since the CaptainKillmore thread was started at bfro. Almost a week since nelson's post and no new word at all. Any posts to that thread since nelson's have been deleted. I have no question about that, meaning I'm 100% sure of it. How? One of us will tell ya later. As that thread fades away and this one grows, still no word even from the Captain himself. If someone were to post there now I bet it would appear and stay in place until the whole thread is deleted. The game grows old, but then that may be the plan. Time will tell.
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hey smoke did cpt. klmr ever straighten out the situation with the you know who, over at the you know where ???
Still nothing except once again, Bossberg in yet another new thread tells a newbie to search Captiankillmore.
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Hmmmm, why dont you give Larry a call and ask him if he tried, thats if you have his #.
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I did a search for Capt's threads and all that came up was some trailer stories and some sketches in and around 2006. I dont understand it all cause I am new here. Can anyone add any else in a pm?
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Hmmmm, why dont you give Larry a call and ask him if he tried, thats if you have his #.
I did call Larry and he made it clear to me that he had been banned. He was none to happy about it and had not been given any reason. I'll call him again for an update.
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It's a long story. Hang in and it will become clear soon. The outcome on this will tell much about bfro.
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Waiting patiently...
I really want to give the BFRO the benefit of the doubt. This activity does nothing for them other than to make them look bad, and that's just more of the old distasteful politics of the BF world. Nobody needs it.
Can it really mean that much for the BFRO to dissuade activity on this forum? I mean, come on. How many of us are there here? Five? Seven? Even a dozen? How could this possibly detract from the BFRO message/philosophy? Aren't we all in this for the same reasons?
And why wouldn't CaptainKillmore want to post messages on a board that is more local? It makes plenty of sense, and it in no way means he's taking anything from the BFRO. It's only information, and sharing it doesn't take anything away from anybody.
Still waiting to see if they just made an error...and will soon fix it.
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I'm there with ya, now I'm really curious to see how this pans out
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I didnt even know they had been planning a tv show. I knew there was something brewing north of the border. I think the 'R' in their title is for 'research', not regret.
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Side note: This is the first line of a poster at bfro. Ater 441 posts ssm129 feels the need to say this, and I quote.
"I hope I don't get in trouble for asking this question because I certainly DON'T mean to cause any commotion.
Please don't kick me off the site for an innocent question. :)."
Talk about walking on eggshells. Sad but true.
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I noticed that too.
Some of that can be chalked up to an overactive imagination (her post sounded like she was afraid of strangers). But the "getting kicked off the site" part is what really got my attention.
I've also been wading through some of the old threads from 2005 on BFF...wow. Not pretty. That's when the BFRO had it's "mass exodus". Sure, there are hard feelings being expressed from those that were kicked out, which probably had a lot to do with those that left on their own. And I have no idea what the BFRO's side of the story is. But it was pretty painful just to read that stuff.
This is exactly the kind of political stuff that this field of study DOES NOT NEED, yet is so prevalent between some of the organizations.
I'm quite certain that I don't have the whole story, and I might never get to hear it. If it means sifting through another several hundred public posts, then I don't want to know. It has no bearing on my research.
In the immortal words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along???"
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I've seen this type of thing many times on bfro. It's odd that so many are afraid to post what's on their mind.
I"d like to read some from the BFF "mass exodus" time line. Would you send me a link? I'm not sure how to find it.
I'm unable to find anything older than 2006 at bfro, but that would fit the M.O. would it not?
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Here's a link to a whole bunch of threads. Be prepared, they are all very long reads full of negative sentiment. Interspersed among the posts are a few in defense of the BFRO, but they (BFRO) are by no means "adequately represented" on this forum. In other words, you're not going to get their side of the story from this link. But there is plenty of available info from which to base the beginnings of an opinion. Here it is:
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=13898&view=findpost&p=292016
These are accounts of those who left or were kicked out, along with a whole bunch of hard feelings. The basic gist of the sentiments seem to be philosophical differences, meaning some folks felt that profit (in the form of expedition fees) was becoming more important than the research. There are other sentiments expressed as well that pertain to the management structure and methodology. And the finger pointing is almost exclusively at the man in charge.
There is also some allusion to the degradation of report investigation and the overall change in what types of reports are getting published compared to those published previously. The focus (according to these posters) has shifted from analytical research to selling expedition spots. If this is in fact the case, then the term "philosophical differences" would seem to make sense. But again, the BFRO point of view is not seen in these threads, and I'm not sure if it is available for public view.
Make sure you've got some time, all of the threads listed in that link are long...
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Holy cow! I did not know all of this was going on. I just go there to see the reports. Been doing that for several years now. It wasnt until recently that I scrolled down far enough to see the forum areas. I still look there for reports. But now I question all that I have read. Is MM his real name? Anyone ever see or meet him??? I remember times when I tried to bring up the bfro site, and couldnt, they wanted 'donations' if i remember to keep the site open. If all of this went down in 05, who's left? New researchers for them/him might not know of all this, right, cause it has been hidden?.? WHY would one want to become a member anyway?? If I had the time and I lived in N California and there was alot of action in my area....the next few months ought to be interesting to watch if more unfolds. Sad, sad...
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Yes, it is sad.
But it does help to explain the banning of folks with an MBR tag in their signature.
However, that BFRO database of sightings is still an invaluable tool. I think I might be more skeptical about Class B sightings posted in the past few years, but the bulk of the info can't really be judged based on the recent politics, can it?
CAN IT?
Even with all of the stuff becoming apparent, I still want to give the BFRO the benefit of the doubt where the recent bannings are concerned (meaning you MBR guys). They can, at any time, reinstate all of you who were banned. It's not a perfect solution, but it is a definite gesture that says, "sorry guys, let's all play nice."
EDIT: Oops, have I been incorrectly saying "MBR" when it should be "MBG"? Dang it, sorry about that (if I'm wrong).
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Here's a link to a whole bunch of threads. Be prepared, they are all very long reads full of negative sentiment. Interspersed among the posts are a few in defense of the BFRO, but they (BFRO) are by no means "adequately represented" on this forum. In other words, you're not going to get their side of the story from this link. But there is plenty of available info from which to base the beginnings of an opinion. Here it is:
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=13898&view=findpost&p=292016
These are accounts of those who left or were kicked out, along with a whole bunch of hard feelings. The basic gist of the sentiments seem to be philosophical differences, meaning some folks felt that profit (in the form of expedition fees) was becoming more important than the research. There are other sentiments expressed as well that pertain to the management structure and methodology. And the finger pointing is almost exclusively at the man in charge.
There is also some allusion to the degradation of report investigation and the overall change in what types of reports are getting published compared to those published previously. The focus (according to these posters) has shifted from analytical research to selling expedition spots. If this is in fact the case, then the term "philosophical differences" would seem to make sense. But again, the BFRO point of view is not seen in these threads, and I'm not sure if it is available for public view.
Make sure you've got some time, all of the threads listed in that link are long...
If you use this link be sure to go to page one of the thread there. The first post quote was written by mm. Read it for insight to the type of person he is and how he runs the bfro. The threads this link offers tell the truth. It's not the bfro truth, just the real truth. Read the very first post quote, then ask yourself, what type of person posts like that and why. To what end? What good can it do? Very telling indeed.
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I noticed that too.
Some of that can be chalked up to an overactive imagination (her post sounded like she was afraid of strangers). But the "getting kicked off the site" part is what really got my attention.
I've also been wading through some of the old threads from 2005 on BFF...wow. Not pretty. That's when the BFRO had it's "mass exodus". Sure, there are hard feelings being expressed from those that were kicked out, which probably had a lot to do with those that left on their own. And I have no idea what the BFRO's side of the story is. But it was pretty painful just to read that stuff.
This is exactly the kind of political stuff that this field of study DOES NOT NEED, yet is so prevalent between some of the organizations.
I'm quite certain that I don't have the whole story, and I might never get to hear it. If it means sifting through another several hundred public posts, then I don't want to know. It has no bearing on my research.
In the immortal words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along???"
When it comes to the bfro, I know all I need to know. I plan not to waste anymore time with or on the bfro.
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It's a long story. Hang in and it will become clear soon. The outcome on this will tell much about bfro.
Well the Captain is back and posting once again at bfro. That didn't take long. Watch and see what happends next.
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Waiting patiently...
I really want to give the BFRO the benefit of the doubt. This activity does nothing for them other than to make them look bad, and that's just more of the old distasteful politics of the BF world. Nobody needs it.
Can it really mean that much for the BFRO to dissuade activity on this forum? I mean, come on. How many of us are there here? Five? Seven? Even a dozen? How could this possibly detract from the BFRO message/philosophy? Aren't we all in this for the same reasons?
And why wouldn't CaptainKillmore want to post messages on a board that is more local? It makes plenty of sense, and it in no way means he's taking anything from the BFRO. It's only information, and sharing it doesn't take anything away from anybody.
Still waiting to see if they just made an error...and will soon fix it.
Yes, the bfro looks bad and distasteful and nobody needs it. All this has nothing to do with this forum. The bfro could care less about this forum as well as the MBG for that matter. It's not about us. It was never about us. The bfro is about one thing and one thing only, the bfro.
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Wow, big changes in the "damage control" department over at BFRO...
Smoke, I think you're right. Whatever makes the BFRO look good is going to determine the action they take. It doesn't really appear to have anything to do with the concept of "doing the right thing". If it did, there would have been an apology to go along with CK's reinstatement.
I wonder if they have tried to convince CK to offer their version of an explanation?
Sad.
Being in this field of research for "the glory" (and the money) is poisoning things for the rest of us.
The best we can do is to keep up the good work, fight the good fight.
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Thank you McCabe. In regard to what you wonder I have sent you the Captain's address. Ask him, he won't mind.
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I did keep an eye on this and it seems everyone got what they wanted. The Captain clamed up after just a few posts here and there. The bfro got to keep their ticket sales up using Larry's old posts, then the fade away as planned.
Little but newbies posting at the bfro these days, but then I already said that in the "It's dead" thread.
It's all about the money honey. Fine, but call it what it is. Adventure touring at $300.00 per weekend.